Saturday, January 23, 2010

Captain Leads V-Reds To Win Over Tommies

Lead by Captain Kyle Bailey's 4-goal performance, the V-Reds cruised to a 9-4 victory over STU at the LBR.  Also scoring for UNB were Chris Culligan, Jeff Lee, Alex Aldred, Daine Todd, and Lachlan MacIntosh.

Travis Fullerton started in net, but couldn't survive the first period and was replaced by Derek Yeomans.  Yeomans probably wanted another crack at the Tommies after he was yanked a few weeks ago at the Aitken Centre.  He made some big saves and would only allow one the rest of the way. 

UNB was without Josh Kidd (suspended for fighting) and Jonathan Harty, and then had to go without Ben Wright for most of the game after he took a checking from behind penalty and received a game misconduct.  Luckily, both Josh Hepditch and Alex Aldred were dressed and had no problem filling in on defence.

Final shots were 39-26 in favour of UNB.  The win puts the V-Reds at 21-0 on the season, and extends the Battle of the Hill win streak to 23 games.

35 comments:

UNB Bruins Fan said...

Nice to see them finally figure out Lavigne...in the previous games against STU alot of their shots came from the perimeter but they did a good job tonight getting to the net and were rewarded...I think pretty much every goal they had was form inside the hash marks.

Also, don't look now but Yeomans now has a better GAA (1.85 to 2.05) and a similar save percentage (.914 to .918)as Fullerton...albeit in much less action.

Anonymous said...

What is the word on Harty?

dis in ns said...

At the rate UNB is spending money on players for men's hockey it should only be a matter of time before they have a former NHLer. Not hard to run the table when the competition is a on a different playing field. All UNB hockey fans should be very proud of your high priced talent.

PK said...

That sounds like a very well researched and supported comment Dis....maybe your tag should be Jealous in NS? :-)

There is a set of rules out there fyi.

Anonymous said...

So you are not proud PK? Upset your $$$ are going to buy cars and cell phones, meanwhile your university is cutting money out of the budget? More hockey sticks cost money don't you know. UNB will keep winning because UNB players make the most money in the CIS. Would love to post the link to UNB hockey that proves my point but the university must have forgotten to post that one. Darn! Word on the street is UNB pays.

Anonymous said...

You're right, UNB does in fact pay. They pay the players the opportunity to play for the premiere Men's University Hockey Program in the Country, to be exposed to pro scouting on a regular basis, to win a National Championship, all while receiving a quality education. What more would anyone want?

Anonymous said...

What more would anyone want?

MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY

Slash and burn women's hockey....why??????

MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY

It would by hypocritical to say men's hockey is cheap. UNB has the best bucks in Canada. It pays to belong.

If you've got the money honey I've got the time.

Anonymous said...

wow lots of evidence and facts, must be a wikipedia page this guy is writing. Bring the receipts for paid cell phone bills and show that unb is paying for cars. Every team pays for sticks, it's the way of life in hockey. Now get back to your job at the National Enquirer and don't come back.

Anonymous said...

As a matter of fact, there are schools in N.S. paying a lot more than UNB (hey there Pete Belliveau) the rules are very strict about anything over the packages the players bring from their junior teams. Having known a couple of UNB players, I can attest they are not getting cars and apartments to play hockey there. As for a level playing field, perhaps the other teams need to hire a more aggressive recruiter than Gardiner MacDougall, who doesn't let go until there is absolutely no hope to bring the player in. UNB attracts players because of their coach's ability to recruit, the team success and the players there who sell the program to players they've either played with or against. There is no financial pipeline or dollars being picked off trees. So for the snotty-nosed poster who talked about an even playing field, maybe he should take his high horse and take a spin down the hill. There is no accounting for ignorance.

UNB Bruins Fan said...

Wow...what a convincing argument that was. Actually there already is a team with an ex-NHLer on their roster (or soon to be anyways) and I am pretty sure that they reside in NS.

Also, most of the money hockey players get comes from the CHL...not from the university.

Have you ever thought that maybe the best junior players coming to the CIS just want to play for the best program in Canada in terms of winning championships and getting a pro contract?? When you can offer things like that I am sure many players would choose that school over a crappy team who offers lots of money...

UNB Bruins Fan said...

To Anon at 9:44am:

Hockey sticks are expensive...perhaps you should have told that to someone like Charles Lavigne before he felt the need to beat his goalie stick off the cement wall outside the STU dressing room several times after he got pulled last night....

Anonymous said...

Hey Lavigne don't beat you high priced stick off the wall when you get your arse whooped by a bunch of over payed pro players. OK are you happy? What do they feed you up there in New Brunwick? Crap because I think you spit some of it out while you were typing. If you only knew what the others out side of your city say. You have to start buying those championships at some point. Now all you have to do is pay to maintain them. You are doing OK so far so just keep the money train going down the track.

Anonymous said...

Blacks Harbour

Anonymous said...

To the poster 2 comments above, you're obviously not that familiar with AUS hockey because if you were then you would know that in both 2007 as well as 2009, UNB was not the team which was favoured to win heading into the National Tournament. Over-priced pro talent and buying championships... please.

Anonymous said...

What others OUTSIDE the city are saying....that is the key word right there....who cares what people who don't even live around here or aren't close to the team think??

So I suppose Alberta has been buying championships for years then..??

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said...

Just wondering if anyone on either side of this debate has any evidence to suport their positions, other than the obvious CIS policies, etc. Not trying to stir the pot, but would like to see some resolution of the matter. Hearsay is just that, for or against. Surely, this is not the first time this issue has been discussed in an online forum such as this. Perhaps it doesn't even belong on here.

And just for the sake of doing some math, how much $payroll$ would a school have to raise and manage behind the scenes to attract and retain a roster of 20-odd top caliber student/athletes (assuming all schools have the same CIS sanctioned on-the-table offers). Is the total amount something that could even be kept out of the public eye on a longterm basis?

Squirrel H8TR said...

First time I have seen you Squirrels play defence on here. Funny how that tends to happen when you percieve an attacked, eh?

Just because I love you guys I leave you with this great quote.

"HA HA" Nelson, The Simpsons. :-)

David Kilfoil said...

I know I shouldn't feed the flamers, but a point worth repeating is that success breeds success. Many players would rather take a lesser role on a winning team than a major role on a losing team. Some don't, which is why for example Dietrich left UNB for STU, and probably led to Hodgson leaving at Christmas.

Gardiner MacDougall has told me repeatedly over the years that he "doesn't talk money" with his potential recruits. Since almost all are CHL grads they have the same education packages. MacDougall is looking for players who "dream big" - they want to win championships and they want to play pro after CIS hockey. Potential recruits who want to start negotiating "packages" usually end up playing for UNB's opponents.

MacDougall had numerous players calling him over Christmas hoping to join the team, but he only talked to Ben Wright, since he had started with the team in the fall.

So the harsh truth (for the conspiracy theorists out there) is that UNB doesn't have to dangle money - players who want to win make sure they return his phone calls. It is that simple.

Anonymous said...

Good points made by Dave..and also the reason UNB does have money for things like sticks and trips to play ncaa opponents is because it has one of the highest attendance in the country, add onto a giant rink full of advertising then of course they will be able to supply sticks to players. And whats wrong with that???

Anonymous said...

First things first, "squirrel hater" I get a kick out of you and your ridiculous comments. How can you say anything when you cheer for STU? STU is the laughing stock of the AUS and yet you come on here and try and find things to say about UNB. Truth be told, until STU beats UNB (which is something like 30 games in a row now), you should just put your tail between your legs and take it like a man. And furthermore I know for a FACT that STU pays their players more money then anyone in the league. The only team that might pay more is Dal. The simple fact is, players are way to educated to come to STU anymore. Bad for academics, embarassing rink and a terrible team, thats why they have to pay guys to come. Dont believe me ask around to anyone who knows the team well enough and is willing to admit it.

As for the person who started this subject I understand your frustration, I really do. I'm assuming you are a SMU fan and you actually thought it was your year to win it all. But after last game in your own rink when UNB mopped the floor with you guys you had to vent to someone about it so you came on here. You guys had your chance to win it last year but choked worse then any other team in Nationals history. I dont think your team will recovery from that anytime soon.

UNB does not pay their players, they come to UNB to win and thats what they do-WIN. They pay there good players by getting them good pro contracts.

Truth hurts

Anonymous said...

First things first, "squirrel hater" I get a kick out of you and your ridiculous comments. How can you say anything when you cheer for STU? STU is the laughing stock of the AUS and yet you come on here and try and find things to say about UNB. Truth be told, until STU beats UNB (which is something like 30 games in a row now), you should just put your tail between your legs and take it like a man. And furthermore I know for a FACT that STU pays their players more money then anyone in the league. The only team that might pay more is Dal. The simple fact is, players are way to educated to come to STU anymore. Bad for academics, embarassing rink and a terrible team, thats why they have to pay guys to come. Dont believe me ask around to anyone who knows the team well enough and is willing to admit it.

As for the person who started this subject I understand your frustration, I really do. I'm assuming you are a SMU fan and you actually thought it was your year to win it all. But after last game in your own rink when UNB mopped the floor with you guys you had to vent to someone about it so you came on here. You guys had your chance to win it last year but choked worse then any other team in Nationals history. I dont think your team will recovery from that anytime soon.

UNB does not pay their players, they come to UNB to win and thats what they do-WIN. They pay there good players by getting them good pro contracts.

Truth hurts

Anonymous said...

Any CIS school, breaking the rules to get players are eventually caught, do you really think UNB who has been a consistent winning program since 1991 and a National Contender every year since than, would take the risk to embarass their community by being sanctioned by the CIS and shut down for a couple of years?? I guarentee schools like UNB, Alberta, Saskatchewan, UQTR, Acadia and St Mary's are the first to be audited. Their is no way any university Hockey Team is breaking any laws, and if their is whether its this year or 3 years from now they would be caught. UNB has built on it's own Success from the past 18 Years of winning hockey seasons, and whether we win 4 consecutive CIS Titles, or dont even win the AUS this year our success is not going to stop anytime soon, we will have a solid nucleus for at least the next 4 Seasons, just as strong as the teams from the past 3 years, for every good player weve lost over the years we have players lined up wanting to come in, and each year each group seems to get better, cause we win, the players get scouted still, they get national exposure, the coaching staff and every volunteer or employee of the team care and treat the players that way, they get a solid education, its a beautiful city, to live in, learn in, have fun in, its the Number 1 Hockey in Town. Theyre is no reason for the top notch players to not want to come to UNB. Mike Danton was one of them, and UNB rejected him said no thanks, as well did Acadia said no thanks. Danton didnt choose SMU first SMU was the first team to say yes. And now Danton is getting ready to be inserted in the lineup, with what about 6 games to play.....how convenient right in time for the playoffs

Also the stuff about UNB's womans hockey program has to be laid to rest. Theyre are alot of schools, who pick and choose their sports. No one has ever Said Acadia is good, cause they have no womens Hockey, no one has ever said Laval only has success in Football cause they have No hockey Team Period, as do most of the large Universities in Quebec, no mens team period. theirs a whole bucket load of great Western Canada schools without mens or womans hockey, who have continued success each year, in sports like Volleyball, Basketball etc. We as a school have choosen to focus on certain sports and better oursleves in all of them, not just mens hockey, The Money being put into the Soccer programs right now, is incredible, the New Soccer/football field and facelities, including the winter trainning Dome. Basketball/Volleyball amongs some other sports are receiving a new Multi Million dollar beautiful facility thats just incredible, the money UNB does have is going alot of places, to make all the student athletes lives and futures that much stronger. UNB will build off al their future success coming their way and one day will bring back womans hockey and can almost guarentee within 10 years their will be a football team.

Eric said...

A note on playing NCAA teams, CIS teams are the invited team and as such - the host covers the team's expensis. In most cases, it's a flat fee in the area of $5K. The team keeps the balance if the actual expenses are less.

As someone pointed out on 2007 and 2009 - UNB was the wild card both times, losing to UdeM in the finals as the underdog and again to SMU as an upset. So, UNB made the best of a second chance. You can't fault them for that.

The point about attendance is very big. It can be missed by many as they assume all teams draw the same as them (poorly). At 2,500 x $8 (average) = $20K a home game. Not all of that goes to the team - most goes to the Dept and the Areana, but what the team does get can cover a lot of sticks/skates/etc.

Squirrel H8TR said...

Don't cry you whiner. Your facts, your facts, what a joke you are Anon. I'm much too busy laughing at you!

Blow a little harder squirrel, love to hear more of what you have to say. Don't forget when you point your finger there are 3 pointing back at yourself, so be my guest and tell us all you know.

Anonymous said...

wow, i agree with squirrel h8ter. That was an amazing post. For one, you have zero proof that Danton was rejected by UNB and Acadia because there has been zero mention of that anywhere. Wouldnt be surprised if Danton played this friday and have all the UNB fans so upset if they end up losing. I dont think they will, but imagine the backlash.

EVERYONE is getting some money for rent or beer, they are just getting their tuition and books covered by their junior teams. Granted, everyone in the AUS is realizing that they cant make the show and want to get an education, but that cant be the ONLY thing that keeps them there. Like why would Josh Kidd, making AHL money, decide to go to UNB when his tuition is only covered. Makes you wonder.

David Kilfoil said...

Josh Kidd didn't get an AHL contract this season, so he would have been forced to move down to the ECHL or lower to get a pro contract this season. He basically fell into Gardiner MacDougall's lap after getting cut by the Manitoba Moose, and this was shortly after Ben Wright had left UNB to go to the ECHL.

Mike Danton did contact Acadia before SMU, but Darren Burns couldn't turn around an answer fast enough for Danton. UNB was apparently on Danton's list, but he didn't contact MacDougall after getting a positive response from Trevor Steinburg.

There is at least one AUS hockey program providing apartments to some players (which is against CIS rules), but it is not UNB. I don't know of any school handing out cars and such - no one has that kind of money.

There are no "payrolls" in the AUS. Varsity athletes in all CIS sports can be provided with athletic scholarships or "awards" not to exceed tuition and fees. This is above and beyond any education packages hockey players may already have from their major junior teams.

Anonymous said...

Squirrel Hater, Just remember you are O-fer against UNB in the last few years. I cant even take you serioulsy.

Anonymous said...

FYI

St Thomas Tommies purchased 2 Split entry level houses on Riverside Drive across from the Scholten Esso Gas Station, and provided these to some of their players. I know this for a fact because Ryan Locke (stu defenseman) was one of the many stu players that lived over their and came into my business everyday. They have since either sold or rent out the houses to regular people, but it was Just STU Hockey players in the 4 Units in the 2 New Houses for the longest while

P.S Mike Danton will be in the lineup Friday, comes watch the show up the hill it will be a packed house

Anonymous said...

i really dont see how squirrel h8ter being a Tommies fan has anything to do with the money argument. It really has nothing to do with the arguments being presented. We are talking about money for teams. But we all know players are getting something, its not as present as it is in the NCAA with boosters and such, but there has to be something. Scholarships aside.

Anonymous said...

Josh Kidd came to UNB, Gardiner or UNB never offered him anything to entice him, he wanted in, his agent said this is the best place to go to get a education to fall back on and maybe get a pro offer again in a couple of years since it didnt work out for him

and squirel hater, I think you have it backwards, their is alot more fingers on here pointing right back at you.

Bueller said...

Coming from a STU fan... yes, there is money going around. Hockey players who aren't looking for the paycheck first are in the minority (keep your panties on, Kilfoil, it's true). That said, STU has its own problems before we worry about what UNB is or isn't doing. We need to recruit a top 5, and we need someone capable of doing the recruiting. It comes down to the guy making the calls. Any suggestions? Anyone? Anyone?

Squirrel H8TR (more and more everyday) said...

I'm not even talking about money. It is a foolish conversation to be having anyway. All I originally said was it was funny (to Me) that UNB fans were playing defence to anonynous attacks that you probably should ignore.

I'm a STU fan, big whoop, with many UNB friends that I have lots of fun with. Get over yourselves you stinking rodents. :-)

Anonymous said...

Must be equally as funny to you then when Tommies Video Guy and Oilslick play defense to anonymous attacks that they should probably ignore. It's the nature of the beast... UNB fans are passionate about their hockey just as STU fans are. Let's just agree to disagree before someone looses an eye.

Anonymous said...

those anonymous attacks are to me personally that people make behind their computer when they could easily come down the the LBR and do it in person but choose not to.

Plus, i am pro STU. But I also know that UNB is the better team.

But like i said, i should ignore anonymous posts, for the most part, i do. But i throw my 2 cents in and people flame me for it on a personal level. I have invited people to talk and debate me about the Tommies at the video box but no one does.

Anyways, this debate is futile. Just seems that everyone is a critic. With UNB, its money vs. people who want to win. People are right and wrong on both levels. I wont get into that one, not my battle.

~Tommies Video Guy~

Anonymous said...

...like taking candy from a baby.