Friday, March 5, 2010

More Bad News For V-Reds

In his column in today's Daily Gleaner, Bill Hunt confirms that UNB team captain Kyle Bailey broke his hand during play late in the 2nd period of Tuesday night's game.  There'll be plenty of time for him to recover.

He also points out the financial implications of lost playoff revenue.  Anyway you add it up, there's no good news to come of it.  Have fun with this one folks.

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Lost Revenue!!! I think lost Revenue looks good on the university! They turfed the female hockey team and they were barely funding it! If truth be known the men's team probably blew what it would cost to run the female program for an entire year. But MacDougal, Dickie, and the architect behind destroying female hockey, Clint hamilton, are not really hindsight people, nor were they foresight people. The females could have been in the top three every year if funded. But, no, they looked at an underfunded program and said it is not working, so rather than fund it they cut it. For gosh sake even STU can compete in the league when the girls got funding there. I think everyone in the city who even knows what a hockey stick looks like was shocked when this program was cut. I now think those same people are laughing when "lost revenue" is mentioned. hey UNB, sell another corner of the woodlot to a gas station to make up for your loss. perhaps call it "corner Gas", or better yet "gas X", pun intended!

Anonymous said...

Just finished Bill's article in the paper. Well summarized. The article above says it all in response. Now that the UNB flagship was sunk in the icy waters of Novia Scotia, I would imagine the wind is whistling very cold in the empty corridors of the AUC. Cold enough that perhaps one might need to wear a dickie to keep warm? Oh well the warm weather is around the corner. Perhaps one can then throw their dickie aside and bask in the warm sunlight. Perhaps UNB should also throw their "Dickie" aside and rethink the teams to fund and those not to fund?

Anonymous said...

"And on like a broken record they go".....apparantly one of the 4 people who attended the womens games has found a new forum to complain at. Remember folks..like it or not, the mens hockey teams attendance pays for the better part of the athletic budget for all the other teams.

Anonymous said...

Yes I know, and STU and Saint Mary's, and UPEI, and MTA all fill the rink for their female hockey? But they keep them. May I summarize your quote...UNB is all about money and profit? Always thought so, and you pretty much confirmed it. And how many million is UNB in debt this year? I forget, but I read it in the Gleaner every year?

Anonymous said...

Well then anon I invite you to make a $1000 donation to a womens hockey program at UNB and volunteer 20 hours a week as a coach.

Squirrel H8TR said...

I think you had a part time coach, volunteers and supporters when they clubed women's hockey, didn't they?

Anonymous said...

Why not deal with reality, gents? However noble it is to have a women's hockey program, you can't keep throwing money down the sink. It was expensive to operate, and despite everybody proclaiming to be a women's hockey fan, they were drawing 100 people a game. People who are in business or taking Business at UNB know that's not very good return on your dollar. Yeah, in a perfect world, the money aspect shouldn't make a difference. Let's have a program because it's good optics and it gives young women a chance to play hockey at the university level. But there's a cold, hard dollars and cents reality out there right now, and organizations are being told to do more with less. It's not fair, and it's probably not morally right, but it's the way of the world. Everybody is cutting back these days, even the men's hockey team.

PK said...

Reality check - there is a women's hockey program at UNB, and with the loss of varsity status it allows many more local/regional girls to have a chance to play at that level than a varsity program would.

UNB has a number of "club teams" that unfortunately don't generate the fan interest that helps cover costs, but that are thriving - men's baseball, wrestling. These programs still offer the opportunity to compete at elite level without the costs of a varsity program.

Take a look around you - many universities dont carry 100% mens and womens varsity programs. UNB made a very "visible" move that was a lightning rod -- but it was the right thing to do.

Anonymous said...

wow! is you last name Dickie or MacDougal?

Anonymous said...

The women's hockey debate again? Seriously?? Get some new material guys...

Eric said...

Look - Acadia lost too. This was the team in UNB's shadow all season. You know - the best team not named UNB (having only 4 loses at one time - two of which were against UNB). Now they are on the outside looking in - losing in three straight after winning game #1. I don't think that single win makes losing the series any better.

Parity - got to love/hate it. The AUS is tough - you can't sit still or they run you over.

Chris H. left, he wasn't sent away. Not sure he would have made a difference if he wasn't going to hit anyone while he was here - can't see that changing all of a sudden in the playoffs.

As for revenue - there was only 2-3 more games they could have counted. I don't think they expected to play more than 4 (so they got 2 and lost 2). If it was about money, they would be pushing for no 'byes' and playing the first round against STU.

It's still a 27-1 season. Western lost their first round (OUA Semis) when they were 24-0. So, we're not the first CIS giant to fumble in the Playoffs. Alberta lost to X in their first game (the first game of nationals) when they were 26-1-1. Good teams lose - Average Teams can find ways to win. That's the game.

Next year still looks pretty bright - just have to start the run for 2 (back-2-back) next year.

Bill Hunt said...

It's not a matter of how many they "expected" to play. The premise of the column was based on how many circumstances would have "allowed" them to play.
Had they been successful in staging a comeback: Game 5. A win in that one would have granted them a minimum two more. Hence the calculation based on three games. A fifth game against Saint Mary's would have meant $37,000 more in revenue. You can be sure UNB budgeted for more than 2 home games of 1500 attendance.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, the X games drew flies. Partly because of the Olympics and partly because people expected UNB to go to the finals. I remember the semi-final against Acadia last year didn't draw well either but the finals against SMU sold out.

I wonder if this loss in revenue will impact any potential plans they had for next season. I heard that they may be trying to get another NCAA team to play here in the fall.(just a rumour).

-Rob

Anonymous said...

I for one lost interest in UNB regular season games. It seemed to be a blow out every night and a good solid hockey game that could go either way seemed like something that was not going to happen. Down at STU which I also attended was almost a loss waiting to be played. Once i got in the habit of not going, it was easier to keep not going. I am a fan who used to attend every UNB and STU game. I know it seems like I don't like a winner or a loser, but what I wanted was a team to lose if they played poorly and to have a chance if they played well. Seems like both teams suffered this year, except that I expect UNB to climb out of it for next year.

UNB Bruins Fan said...

The crowds at the playoff games did seem smaller than the regular season crowds but not significantly so...the reason the attendance figures are so low compared to the regular season games is because of the season ticket factor.

Anonymous said...

i think the attendance issues had to do with outside factors UNB couldnt control. Like game 1 was a thursday night game and UNB had to go head to head with the womens gold medal game. I was planning on going to the Reds game but the gold medal was on.

Friday had the bad weather that may have deterred some people from going.

If UNB had made it to the finals, it would have been a sellout not a problem.

~Tommies Video Guy~

Anonymous said...

Everybody in Fredericton needs relax.
Your team had a hell of a regular season...a combination of circumstances conspired against UNB for an extended Championship run.
The V'Reds will learn from this.
Gardiner does a great job recruiting and UNB hosts Nationals for two straight years...which is a huge recruiting advantage.
I fully expect UNB to win at least one of the two years in Fredericton.
Alberta used the dissapointment of having a near perfect season (40-0-2) come to an end in the U. Cup semi-final in 2004 (memeorable 6-5 OT loss to UNB on Jesse Ferguson goal)to fuel their back-to-back wins at home in 2005 and 2006.
I expect UNB to do the same.

Bob Stauffer
Oilers Radio Network

Bill Hunt said...

No guarantees, Bob. This year's events demonstrate that. They were (and still are, I guess) the reigning national champions, remember. This edition looked stronger than that one. Consensus going in was that it was UNB's to lose -- and they lost it.
Don't think anyone in these parts will assume they'll win it again until they actually do.

Anonymous said...

Anyone notice how the non-UNB people are more optimistic for the team's future then many unb fans?? (i.e Bob, AUS Fan..even Tommies Video Guy)..It's because they aren't letting emotion get in their way of looking at it..yes it was bad..yes there is lots of work to be done for next season...no things aren't in bad shape at all.

Go VREDS!!!

Anonymous said...

It's not so much being optimistic. I think even Squirrel Hater would agree that UNB still remains formidable and will probably will get better when the recruting process plays out. But there's also a lot of other good teams out there looking for players too and contrary to a couple what a couple of zealots might think, not every player wants to come to UNB. The point is, there are way too many good teams to assume uNB will have an easy ride of it for the next two years. Huge advantage that they're in the tournament regardless, but it's not easy to win against the best teams in the country. Big Bob reminds folks of the year when Jesse Ferguson's goals in OT upset the mighty Bears, who were undefeated at the time. No guarantees and it's why they play the games. We need only be reminded what happened last week to realize anything can happen.

Anonymous said...

UNB will be a formidable opponent for any team for years to come. Their recriuting will be great because freshmen will be fast tracked to the national championship. PLUS, you dont go 27-1 and go 1-27 the next season. UNB isint losing much. Its up to the other teams in the league to get better. As a Tommies fan and alum, I can say that because its the truth.

~Tommies Video Guy~

Bill, guess who? said...

Tomnies Video Guy, let's hope Mike has a good off-season recruiting and STU has a team that can challenge next season. Would love to see a strong representative team out of STU and to rekindle some of the buzz that was in the rink whenenver UNB played the Tommies. Those were fun days and more people that you would think are clamoring for a return of that great rivalry. For university fans in the city, that would be the ultimate. Throw in 2 strong teams in Fredericton to go along with an improved team in Moncton, a potential powerhouse in Acadia and certainly a decent team out of Saint Mary's, and continued improvement at UPEI and Dal and X and certainly there won't be a game in which a winner is a lock. That's what's great about the Atlantic Conference.

Anonymous said...

i read in a comment that the UPEI womens team is getting good crowds.....please let me know your source because they average 80....yes 80 people a game.